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the question i had was uh

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from mit and

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did you no have a master's degree

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the year what was the year of graduation

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probably 82 because i think i left there

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went to los alamos

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could you reveal some of your professors

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at mit and

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caltech yeah if you want

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i don't have a list of them here dr

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duxler i think was one of them and

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uh post field

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was another host field h-o-h-s-f

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i-e-l-d or something along those lines

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they remember you

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oh yeah i was feeling well oh sure i've

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got people that uh

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you know that i went to school with and

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george's vote george knapp has spoken to

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some of them

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i certainly have trouble with bob's

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claimed

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have degrees from mit and cal

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tech now i've talked to people who saw

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him at caltech

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but there's no no records there i think

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it is entirely possible that he would

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exaggerate his educational background

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in order to get a great job he wouldn't

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be the first person to do that

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you wouldn't be the first person to ju

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to lie about his background and

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education

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in order to get a good job and you have

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to wonder well wouldn't the people who

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hired him know that and yeah they would

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they would have to they do a background

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check

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they'd have to know that robert scott

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lazar

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supposedly a nuclear physicist with a

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master's in physics from

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mit the master of electronics from

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who supposedly worked at area 51 back

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engineering flying saucers

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figured out how they work using element

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this it's a long detailed story you can

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buy the videos someplace else not for me

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uh i did a lot of checking on bob i

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tried to meet with him twice

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i was supposed to on one occasion then

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he didn't go along

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uh i checked at mit i checked at caltech

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neither one ever heard of them

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well but the government wiped his

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records clean as the response i talked

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to the legal counsel at mit

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no way to do that i talked with the guy

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who has the degrees the

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commencement lists and all that sort of

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no mention of lazar none of the

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yearbooks show lazar

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you need it for a master's thesis uh

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well for a master's degree you need a

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thesis

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i talk to the guy who holds those no

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lazar

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item there uh he was asked publicly

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when did you get your masters from mit

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well let me see now i think it was yeah

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probably 1982.

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i have friends who went to mit i was

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accepted there myself couldn't afford to

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go out of high school

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and uh nobody who gets a master's degree

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in physics from mit

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doesn't know what year he got it in he

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was asked to name

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some of his professors well let's see

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he named somebody bill somebody i won't

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use his name on

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uh i checked on him was not a common

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name fortunately he was a physicist

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uh the only trouble is bob said he would

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remember him from

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caltech this individual

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bill never taught at caltech he only

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taught at pierce junior college

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now bob himself had mentioned pierce to

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me on the phone

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he did go there now that's in southern

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california but

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and he was going there at the same time

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that he was supposedly attending mit

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2500 miles east of there one heck of a

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commute if you can go to mit

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you don't go to pierce junior college

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but beyond that

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i checked with this high school he

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finished in the bottom third of his high

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school class

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you can't get into mit if you're outside

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10 15 20 of your class bottom third

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never uh his element 115 scheme

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won't work sounds good science fiction

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so oh i checked with los alamos

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he is in the phone book there doesn't

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that prove that he was a scientist

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working there no it certainly doesn't

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prove he was a scientist but if you look

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book for employees of the los alamos

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national laboratory

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the department of energy kirk meyer

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corporation several other companies

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right after bob's name and it was only

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them every several months it says k

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slash and that's kirk meyer a

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subcontractor

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he worked out at the maison facility

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don't need a clearance for that

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uh people come in from all over the

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world physicists to do experiments and

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he was a technician working out there

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and the story goes on and on beyond that

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and i get people telling me well

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i don't see why you don't believe him he

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seems so sincere

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sincerity is not a check on truth

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according to bob lazar now this is his

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claim he has a master's degree

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in physics from mit and also a master's

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degree in electronics technology from

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he has never produced his original

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master's degree from either

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mit or caltech he's never produced it

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it's a no-show there's there's nothing

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there he's never been able to produce

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the original master's degree and every

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effort to locate

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those degrees has completely failed

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including the research by stanton

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also i've got a copy of the mit yearbook

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uh during the early 1980s stanton

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friedman did a very

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investigative uh search of the early 80s

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yearbooks there's nothing there there's

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no name there's no picture

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he doesn't appear in any of the

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yearbooks so that's a red flag that we

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need to look at

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i've got a letter here to john andrews

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from robert keisler dated march 19 1990

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talking about his efforts to find bob's

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magneto hydrodynamic master's thesis

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from mit and it says

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dear mr andrews i am sorry we are unable

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to locate

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a copy of mr robert scott lazar's thesis

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on mhd in our facility let's review this

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according to lazar then the government

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not only wiped out his

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degrees his both degrees they wiped out

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all of the yearbooks so in essence they

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had to crawl up into the

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dusty ceiling addicts of all the uh

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graduates from mit and steal the

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and then they also scrub his uh

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magneto hydrodynamic master thesis it's

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completely gone from every repository

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that just doesn't sound logical or

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if he's telling the truth

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it was 1990 i was working at cnn

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and i was a producer and i got a call

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in atlanta at cnn at my office

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from bob lazar and he said

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uh we're going to be doing uh something

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a memorial day here if you can get here

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we'd like to have you come and be part

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of the festivities

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and uh we can talk about by then it had

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been very controversial

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about whether or not john or whether

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bob lazar with john lear

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had bob lazar been

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telling the truth about going to area 51

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working for eg

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all of that so i went to las vegas

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met with all of those guys and

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was able to spend a lot of time

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on that memorial day weekend and

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i believe it was 1990

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of talking with bob lazar that is

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indelible

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he was showing me in his kitchen how he

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ran this film for the real estate

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offices that he worked for

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filming houses and

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he was in the process

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of demonstrating how he was doing that

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just to show me that this is what

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he did and he had told me that when

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stanton freedman had questioned him

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about the fact that he had no degree

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from mit he said i never

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ever said i had a degree from mit

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or anything like that what

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happened linda is my i'm an adopted

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and they didn't make much money and i

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had gone to school with some buddies we

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he said i drove up to see them as my

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for a few days he would just go and sit

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and he said and i learned some things i

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even more interested in having some kind

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of a career in which i would be dealing

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with electronic and engineering things

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and he said that's what i learned at mit

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i never told anybody i had a degree

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bob's uh first-hand version to me

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this is the most bothersome part of the

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story and i've talked to bob

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many times i think we're friends i have

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offered him the opportunity to tell me

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bob

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did you exaggerate about your

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educational background because a lot of

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people do that

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you know that in every walk of life in

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every uh

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occupation they would exaggerate

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something on a resume and he's always

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stuck to it

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as for professors he gave me the name of

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one at

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mit i checked on that the professor is

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not there now whether he was there

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then when bob says he went there mit

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would not give me that information

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i do have one person who says he went to

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school with bob

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or at least was aware that bob was going

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to classes at caltech

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his name is jim tagliani he was a

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technician in the

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stealth fighter program here in tonapon

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nevada he worked with bob

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in the early 1980s at a place called the

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child zincom systems in simi valley

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i have some documentation to back that

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part of it up and he said

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he remembers bob as working a lot of

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weird shifts to accommodate his classes

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the only record we can have for bob

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lazar ever

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in college is a single class in

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at a junior college in california right